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3.X Build for Raiding

Post by Motagus » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:00 am

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Re: 3.X Build for Raiding

Post by Motagus » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:56 pm

Good Fire Spec:
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Good Frost Spec:
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Couple notes of interest:

1) Focus Magic.
You cast this on someone else. It gives them a 30 minute buff giving a 3% crit buff. When they crit, you get a 3% crit for 10 seconds. You can't cast it on yourself.

2) Imp Scorch and Winter Chill are the same thing and will remove each other. They do the same thing, so no need for fight for which one is up.

3) Water Ele gives back mana. Does not stack with Mana Totems from some tests. However, it's a good way to build a self sufficient Mage group where we don't depend on a SP as much.

4) Puting talent points in the prismatic cloak will make invis instant. If you PvP, you may be interested as an Ice Block + Invis is pretty much the same as a rogue's vanish.

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Re: 3.X Build for Raiding

Post by Jugga » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:02 pm

Focus magic seems like a waste of a GCD and mana...I've been reading that Scorch and Winters Chill actually stack. So far as I can tell 0/50/11 will be the way to go for fire. Frost will be interesting, but I have one major concern. The elemental will be returning the mana, but its so easily killed in a fight with lots of AoE damage..ie Brut, M'uru, or Twins.

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Re: 3.X Build for Raiding

Post by Zinko » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:05 pm

Summon the elemental after Brut switches to the side you aren't on?

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Re: 3.X Build for Raiding

Post by Motagus » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:13 pm

If they stack, it's unintentional and will most likely be hotfixed. The focus magic lasts 30 minutes. No GCD and No Mana as you can sit and drink after casting it before a fight. Only time you would need to recast is if your target dies.

The Biggest problem with WC and Scorch is that they remove each other. Ie, you have 5 scorches up, a WC will knock them all off. This is the intended function if it's not the way it's currently working.
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Re: 3.X Build for Raiding

Post by Jugga » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:12 pm

Scorch will increase spell damage done and Winters chill will increase spell critical chance..From what I can tell..they will not cancel each other out...if they do then thats pretty stupid or fire mages won't even need to waste points in imp scorch since a frost mage will most likely become a staple of raids..As for casting the water elemental while Brut is facing the other side sure..that can work, but what about M'uru or Twins? I suppose healers will have to make sure it stays alive. From what I read Focus magic only lasted 10 seconds and costed 9% base mana and used a GCD.

In any event all of this will be cleared up when we can actually log in...ffs Blizzard get our server up.

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Re: 3.X Build for Raiding

Post by Motagus » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:14 pm

Focus Magic works like this.

You buff someone. Once buffed they stay buffed for 30 minutes. When they crit, you get a mini buff for 10 seconds. Everytime they crit. It's 6% base mana for the initial cast only. GCD only takes place at that time. As stated before... This can be applied before a boss fight even starts.

Imp Scorch and Winter's Chill are the exact same debuff now. 2% Crit Chance.

Sounds like fun =)
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Re: 3.X Build for Raiding

Post by Jugga » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:14 pm

And you'd have to buff everyone in the raid with it...very annoying. Yeah I just looked at WC and Scorch..thats pretty retarded to have them both do the same thing. I can see going into arcane being worth it with Spell Impact and Focus Magic, but at the cost of losing Icy Veins and rather than make our AoE's spell just more powerful we have to waste talent points to do so. I see some good things, but I see alot of bad things as well. LB is basically SOC..and not really worth getting since we have plenty of AoE as it is. Arcane sports a haste increasing talent and haste is nearly worthless for Arcane Blast spam.

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Re: 3.X Build for Raiding

Post by Motagus » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:01 pm

No. You can only buff One person with it. You pick and choose who you think would benefit from the buff the most and who is going to crit the most for the most impact for yourself.

I think Arcane will be OK. I think Fire will remain mostly the same. I think Frost will be picking up DPS to match Fire.

I think the BIGGEST problem is the lack of Spell Hit in Fire.
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